Curse

CWal37 · Jun 25, 2007, 08:53 PM // 20:53

I had bought GW when it came out loved it and preordered factions. However, right before it came out my comp broke. I didn't pick it up until this past February when I got a new computer. The first thing I tried out, after joining a guild, was AB, and I loved it. I started thinking about builds that seemed plausible. I had always loved trapping, and I thought it seemed like a good idea since AB focuses on stationary points for control.

Up until today I had never had a problem. Sometimes teams wanted builds pinged and others didn't care, but I was never kicked for being a trapper. Today however, I have been kicked twice, with no chance to simply change builds after being told, "Trappers don't work in AB."

I was wondering if there was some general resentment/hatred of which I was unaware or if people really consider trapping totally worthless and I'm just out of the loop.
Can someone clue me in?

Oh, and I run a different build every few battles depending on which elite I want ( smoke trap, spike trap, or focus). Sometimes I also throw in Verata's Aura if MM's have been annoying me lately.

foody · Jun 25, 2007, 10:46 PM // 22:46

trappers took a hit loosing vim when they made it only 1 foe and they droped trap damage. but i do oath shot with traps and it works good. when a assasin or a war run my way n step on the traps they get cripple blind on fire and knocked down. it still works good. ithink it works good and having people ping bars is good so u dont get the newbs using flare on a warrior.

Kit Armin · Jun 27, 2007, 03:20 AM // 03:20

Trappers are still very good in AB and they do work. I have only tried trapping once in AB and i'm not the best but it's really effective if you know what your doing. I've noticed that lots of people have been calling Trappers Noobs and such but it's not true trappers are the same as a touch build or a healing hand warrior build it useful and it works. But that's me i say use what YOU want not what other's WANT you to run.

CWal37 · Jun 27, 2007, 05:22 AM // 05:22

Well it is heartening to not see some extremely large, vocal group against trappers. Must've just been an unlucky day. Thanks for the responses.

placebo overdose · Jun 27, 2007, 05:39 AM // 05:39

i love it, absolutly hilarious watching people whine but i would still rather have a trapper hybrid with poisen arrow and d-shot/savage for more utility in more situations

Twinsoul · Jul 02, 2007, 10:30 PM // 22:30

I'd actually prefer a standard BA ranger that can actually kill things, tyvm.

Riotgear · Jul 03, 2007, 09:11 AM // 09:11

I've never seen the point in running a trapper, unless you're trying to fend off the morons that zerg the rez shrine. Barbed Trap and MAYBE Dust Trap are the only really useful ones, beyond that, there are better things to fill a skill bar up with. Maybe with Oath Shot.

The reason people don't like it is the same reason spirit spam is kind of discouraged, because AB is largely about mobility, and traps don't move with you. If your goal is to hinder opponents, you'd probably get better mileage just running a Curses necro or Illusion mesmer.

Maria Moon · Jul 08, 2007, 01:37 AM // 01:37

Some people find trappers "useless" as in ab as stated above, alot of the time it is about mobility. I think what the above poster said is true to an extent that have 1 maybe 2 traps in your skillbar, then have some interupts or damage etc, I guess its all about balance, though I am surprissed no-one mentioned the trappers that run up to you and start trapping under your feet.
Anyway just wanted to have my 2 cents worth of say in this, enjoy abing.

God Apprentice · Jul 08, 2007, 07:25 AM // 07:25

I really don't see the point of pinging a bar for AB, the point is to capture points on a map, not fight.

Leonof · Jul 08, 2007, 01:40 PM // 13:40

Honestly I think trappers do work for AB. You just really need to know what you're doing as in know where the spots to trap are. I think the main point is to delay the other teams rather than actually killing anything, but most people prefer seeing people kill. I ran trapper sometimes and it's different feel from the same old apply BA build. I'll play it but I won't bother joining a pug with it though.

Twinsoul · Jul 08, 2007, 10:13 PM // 22:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by God Apprentice

I really don't see the point of pinging a bar for AB, the point is to capture points on a map, not fight.

And so you fill you build up with skills for running, self-defense, and killing NPCs. As easy as that may sound, plenty of people have a hard time with it.

Evilsod · Jul 08, 2007, 11:24 PM // 23:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by God Apprentice

I really don't see the point of pinging a bar for AB, the point is to capture points on a map, not fight.

Maybe its so people are sure you don't have an assassin build with 7 lead attacks and Critical Defences?

Trappers can be used very well on the middle 3 maps, the outer maps are generally just people running round in circles capping outer shrines never really having fights over anything.
Saltspray you can always stick the odd Barbed/Spike Trap by the portal (if you want to be irritating). Plenty of reason to put them over the bridges by the middle shrine, usually a huge fight going on there. Or over a Res Shrine if your trying to push through.
Inner 2 maps, several bridges, fights generally in the same place every time, etc, occasional brawl over the shrines.

Course you just have to know how to use them, where to put the traps and how to avoid the mass of Assassins walking all over the place.

Smoke Trap ends fights with NPCs instantly and gives a ridiculous advantage in bottlenecks.

God Apprentice · Jul 09, 2007, 03:45 AM // 03:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

Maybe its so people are sure you don't have an assassin build with 7 lead attacks and Critical Defences?

Yeah I can see that, but AB isn't like Heroes Ascent or GvG, you don't need set builds to gain wins is what I mean. I've been in a few pug AB's where they asked people to ping bars, they pinged something decent (few attacks/utility/self heal) and they kicked them. But yeah I see your point

Pebbles · Jul 10, 2007, 03:15 PM // 15:15

I saw a trapper destroy a luxon warrior train of 5 before in fort aspenwood.

I was bonding the gate keeping away a siege turtle 4 NPC warriors and another random luxon player W/Mo who obviously sent them.

I could endure the attack on the gate indefinitely and the trapper just laid least 10 traps right behind the gate and then opened it... The NPC's And the Player all chased after me very annoyed at how I kept them waiting and they ran over the traps got K/D and died. Except the player who was on 5% and covered in conditions before begin finished off.

5 v 1 those are pretty good bananas.

therealjz1028 · Jul 13, 2007, 08:47 AM // 08:47

I honestly don't like trappers in AB, but that may be because 95% of the time when I AB I'm on my monk with a guild group on vent and I never see the traps really hinder our team at all. I suppose if I were in a PUG without a monk going against a trapper could be really annoying, especially on the bridge on saltspray.

Plissken · Jul 13, 2007, 09:59 AM // 09:59

Honestly I don't think trapping is the way to go for a ranger in AB.Of course, hindering the opponent's efforts or slowing them down might make a difference between victory or defeat, but after all AB is about capping your way to victory faster than the opponents and "damage-oriented" rangers are so efficient both in skirmishes against opponents groups or NPCs and even in solo capping when necessary that I would prefer a competent BA over a trapper if I get the chance to choose.

No matter what, I would still give the possibility to change build before kicking if I was group leader.

A Leprechaun · Jul 17, 2007, 07:36 PM // 19:36

I trap a lot in AB, and it never seems that effective, but i still do it, because its such good fun! creeping up on a warrior point laying traps just out of aggro range, then lure in them in, only to see them all fall over then hobble away on fire blind poisoned and bleeding only to keel over and die. But against real players they are more just to annoy/distract them, and in a few cases blinding bvig groups of warriors or assasins, or KDing a group of casters can win a fight for your teams.

~A Leprechaun~